Insights from Decades of Observing the Mind | The Ezra Klein Show
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Mark Epstein shares insights from his experience in therapy and meditation, exploring the nature of thoughts and the mind.
In this episode, Mark Epstein discusses his decades-long journey as a psychotherapist and meditator, revealing how thoughts can often feel alienating and uncontrollable. He reflects on the relationship between our mind and our thoughts, emphasizing the importance of understanding rather than repressing them.

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